UPDATED THROUGHOUT THE DAY
FRANKFORT -- House and Senate budget negotiators have decided to take their business behind closed doors.
After pledging to iron out their differences over the state budget in public, members of the House-Senate conference committee used state police to keep media and lobbyists away from their meeting room Sunday afternoon.
UPDATE 10:20 p.m. House and Senate lawmakers participating on the budget conference committee emerged at 9:15 p.m. with much work still to do when they reconvene at 10 a.m. Monday.
The committee is trying to wrap up its work by midnight Monday.
Most of the blanks that must be filled in relate to how to find money to avoid deep cuts to services and education.
The House and Senate have disagreed on approaches to inject several hundred million into the spending plan. But Sunday night, the Senate leaders left House budget negotiators to ponder several suggestions to “capture some additional revenue” from existing sources of state funds, said Senate President David Williams, R-Burkesville.
He wouldn’t elaborate on the specific suggestions, saying he preferred to wait to give House leaders a chance to evaluate the proposal.
House Speaker Jody Richards, D-Bowling Green, said the latest suggestions were “creative financing — a few nickles and dimes.”
But any additional money would be welcomed by lawmakers who are trying to avoid slashing funds for services and higher education, which Gov. Steve Beshear initially slated to cut by 12 percent in his budget he laid out in January.
Richards, however, wasn’t hopeful that public universities’ funding would return even to the level they’re currently getting — which is what the House proposed.
“Not as good as I’d like,” Richards said when asked where it stood.
Williams said the newly suggested revenue measures would help to cover what the Senate’s version of the budget called for, which accounted for 3 percent cuts to universities.
Overall, he described Sunday’s meeting as “fruitful discussions” behind closed doors.
Large white shades were pulled down over the windows of the meeting room to block any view of what was going on inside.
Key lawmakers on the budget negotiations started meeting together at 2:45 p.m. in room 131 of the Capitol Annex. They did open a room down the hallway for lobbyists and reporters to wait.
Staff for House Speaker Jody Richards, D-Bowling Green, said he would be available at 4 p.m. for an update on the negotiations.
Richards stepped out of the room at 3:25 p.m. Asked why the meeting was closed, he only said, "This is a large work group."
A little more than a week ago, both Richards and Senate President David Williams pledged to hold the negotiations in public. Their promise came after Williams and House budget committee chairman Harry Moberly Jr., D-Richmond, accused each other of lying about what happened in previous closed-door negotiations.
The negotiators are trying to craft a $19 billion, two-year spending plan for the state that both the House and Senate will accept.
Budget negotiations have been slow, and time is running out.
Monday marks the 57th day of the 60-day legislative session. Lawmakers are scheduled to adjourn Tuesday until returning April 14 and 15 to consider any vetoes by Gov. Steve Beshear.
However, they may work through Wednesday and have only one day --April 15 -- to consider vetoes. The state Constitution does not allow the legislative session to continue beyond April 15.
UPDATE AT 5:42 P.M.: Speaker Richards provided an update of the closed conference meeting, saying "We're really working hard to try to make a budget with limited revenues."
"We can't agree with some of the revenues that the Senate used and they assumed and they can't use some that we had assumed," Richards said.
"So we're trying to figure out how to build a budget with limited resources and very few, if any, projects."
The Senate is not willing to follow the House in raising the state cigarette tax by 25 cents a pack and putting the state's 6 percent sales tax on a few services, Richards said.
The House, on the other hand, he said, is not accepting the Senate plan to squeeze more money for the state from the Kentucky Lottery Corp.
Richards said the negotiators will "work for a long time tonight" and probably Monday.
He did not know if all legislators will get to vote on their work Tuesday or Wednesday.
"We're making progress," he said, but declined to identify any final agreements.
Asked why the negotiations are taking so long, Richards said, "It's just complex. There are just so many items you have to work on.
"A lot of this is information-gathering. We're getting along very well. People are trying to figure out the best public policy with limited resources."
Richards was asked several times why the negotiations have been closed. "We're just trying to get the work done. We're just doing the best we can."
Senate Majority Leader Dan Kelly, R-Springfield, said he would rather not discuss details of the proceedings at this time.
He said the negotiations will be open again "when we get to the point of making final, formal decisions on the record."
--Jack Brammer
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